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Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.12.17 14:13:00 -
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The Matrix is an amazing film. The second film was a disappointment but the third did not let down.
When you've understood who Smith, Neo and the Creator are you will realise the genius of the Wachowski brothers.
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Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.12.17 14:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I might have to watch it a sixth time to remeber the problems I had with it. I doubt I will give it the time though. Bad Keanue Reeves movies are like a thorn stuck under my right thumb 
Slade
Personal problem with Keanu Reeves.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Matrix trilogy as a whole was a nice scifi action story. Watch it for the action and you won't be disappointed. If you want something more, watch it anyway since there haven't been any really good scifi movies in recent years.
The failure is done by you because the Matrix is not a sci-fi story.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 17/12/2008 15:06:09
Originally by: Stitcher
let's see....
Robots - check
set in the future - check
anti-gravity vehicles - check
energy weapons - check
sentient AI - check
mind-machine control interfaces - check
...nope, pretty certain it's sci-fi. Or rather, it's Cyberpunk, and cyberpunk is a sub-genre of sci-fi.
Robots - mean what?
set in the future - would the story have been clearer had it been set 2000 years ago?
energy weapons - replace with swords and?
sentient AI - keep thinking
mind-machine control interfaces - oops did I mention something about 2000 years ago?
...nope, pretty certain it's NOT sci-fi. Or rather, it's something I can't think off.
Instead of trolling answer who Neo, Morpheus, Persephone, the Merovingian, the Key Maker and, especially, Smith are.
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Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
I personally hold the Matrix and the Lord of the Rings to be the crowning jewels of western film making.
Thought the final film was the best because it had a do or die feel that you could actualy connect with, as opposed to the general beat em up blow it up of Hollywood.
After watching the Animatrix (yes, the Wachowski brothers made anime of the Matrix  ) that covers a large chunk of backstory, my only gripe with the plot was this. Why humans as batteries? Surely feeding the dead to the living with no other input of energy must be very inefficient... energy cannot be created or destroyed, so the system is unsustainable. Couple this with running the Matrix on the electricity and you could probably make a case for it being a better system just to throw bodies in an incinerator....
Haven't seen the films in years mind, I recall suspecting that both "the real world" and the Matrix were part of an overreaching simulation.
LotR books are far better than the films. I read the books three times (once a summer for three years in a row) but couldn't watch the films more than once. Interesting that you mentioned LotR because that isn't just about good vs. evil either. But I see that it's too intelligent a subject for the denizens of EVE to comprehend. It is a shame.
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Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.12.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
*laughs*
you're missing my point, I'm afraid. My point was that sci-fi, fantasy, fables, biblical stories, myths, legends... every story told in human history is the same. Only the props change.
The MAtrix is sci-fi, because it uses sci-fi props. It's a bit nonsensical to say "energy weapons - replace with swords and?" because it DID have energy weapons. Replace the props, and you change the genre.
From a narratological perspective, however, it is no more a sci-fi story than LoTR is a fantasy one.
Sorry that I missed your point, sleep is weighing heavily on my eyes. However the story doesn't tell the story of a sci-fi 'Neo' just as LotR doesn't tell the story of Hobbits. That seems to be a topic for another thread though.
Back to Keanu, I love the guy, he is sexy and turns me on. Unlike many actors (Nicholas Fail) he doesn't act beyond his abilities. The thing I hated about The Matrix was Trinity. I couldn't stand her and then her eternal speech at the end just before she died, I wanted to kill the damned *****, she just wouldn't shut up and die.
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